Tuesday, June 17, 2008

Posting 3

After the Case Briefs are presented in class, discuss which case you think has had the most profound impact on public education and why. Do you agree with the ruling in this case? Why or why not?

25 comments:

Mildra said...

The case in today's class that really caught my attention as well as others in the class was Rowely v Board of Education. It basically is a question of how far does the school system have to go to assure that all students are getting a free appropriate education. Personally, I agree with the parents the schools systems should provide any means of accommdations for any student with a disability no needing assistance with learning. But at the end of the day someone has to make the big decision based on the school's budget, finding the right sign interpeter, weighing in how it would affect other student as well as parents, and overall that teacher. In class someone made the statement what if a student was having a hard time in reading and wanted the school to provide a reading coach for that student is that ok. We as teachers have a special bond with every student or every child we connect with but it is important not to let your personal feelings interfer with any decision we may have to make especially in this case.

Tracy Jordan said...

In today's class, there was a lot of heated debate. I believe the case that had the most profound impact, as well as the one that sparked the most debate, was Board of Education v. Rowley. I believe that every child deserves the very best in education. They should have the means to thrive in every educational setting. That being said, I also know that someone has to pay for this cause. If funds are made available for one interpreter, how about other needs? Will the funds continue to be available so that every child will get the best & equal education? I guess I am on the fence with this one, as I see it both ways.

Third Grade Historical Figuires said...

I believe that the Rowley Vs. Board of education has a profound impact on education today. Although I can see where some would agree with the court's decision, I disagree. I think that every child's learning should be maximized to the best ability of the school. The purpose of school is not only for the children to learn but for them to reach their full potential. It is our job as teachers to see that all students learn as much as they possibly can with their ability level. Since when if just average okay? We are always striving to be better than average, so why should children settle if they know they could do more. I do realize that we should not let personal feeling interfere with our jobs but we also could not be affective teachers if we did not care about our students and want them to do their best.

Third Grade Historical Figuires said...

I think this has a profound impact on education because it poses the question of, what is enough? Is it enough for the child to learn on grade level or should there be more to it? Special education is a big part of the school system and we as teachers need to address these issues because they will more than likely come up again in different cases.

Loretta Baber said...

I think the case that had the biggest impact on public education was the Lau case. In this case the Supreme Court overturned the decision of the lower courts and the board of education had to go back and figure out how to handle the 3000 non-English speaking students in their classrooms. Of the two cases presented that directly affected the education process this was the only one that the Supreme Court overturned the original decision. Both this case and the Rowley case had major impacts on student education. I am very thankful that we live in a country where these kinds of cases can be heard and it is a way of improving our educational system.

Lindsay said...

It is very difficult choosing a case that has the most impact in education. But if I had to choose a case, I would choose the second case. It is hard when there is a language barrier between teachers and students, but when there is a barrier that is beyond a child's control like deafness, it is even more difficult. How do you decide what is best for the child when parents, administrators, and money get in the way. I honestly do not know whether I am for or against the court ruling. I would have to do more research on the topic.

Anonymous said...

I think the BOE v. Rowley was a very important case, in the regards of education what is preferred isn’t always what is right. During class many people felt that having an interpreter would distract other children and effect there learning. Children do not have a one track mind; they can be distracted by anything, but is it so bad for a child to be introduced to American Sign Language. Children adapt to situations in everyday life, interpreters are in classrooms today and I have not heard one parent complain that they’re child is distracted. I always hear about the new signs they have learned. Children today benefit for an inepter just as much as a deaf child. In this case it was ruled that the administration did comply with the act but the Rowley’s case introduced the topic of what is appropriate education. I do agree with the ruling only because the administration did all it was required, during the trail period for the interpreter it was concluded by him that he was not needed and that she did not require his services. Wanting their child to have the benefit of an interpreter was what drove the Rowley’s why let your child be average when you know that they are capable of much more.

Anonymous said...

I agree with pretty much everyone else that Rowley v. Board of Education had the most impact on education. I feel that this case opened the eyes of everyone to the plight of the special needs child. However, this being said, I agree with the ruling of the court. While I wish that every child could get the specialized individual care, this is just not a reality in today's public school educational system. Speaking from personal experience, my nephew is an autistic child. He needs to have intense therapy in order to learn how to live in this world. However, the public schools are not able to provide this for him. His parents have had to fund this privately and through their insurance company. I think that the same applies to this case. If I am understanding correctly, the little girl, Amy, did have the ability to read lips and was provided with a hearing aid. Therefore, she did know what was going on in class. My nephew does not have the luxury of being able to learn like a regular child does. He needs far more care than he receives, but there is no funding to provide it. Is Amy's case any different? At least she was able to learn with the other children.

Gunnels said...

I agreed with everybody that it is Rowely v. BOE. We needed to define what is free appropriate education in the school system. I think that everybody should have right for accomodation in school whether they are disability or non-disability. If BOE say there is not enough money for interpeters then the parents need to step up and vote yes to raise taxes to get better education and other special need in education for their children.

robert said...

I have to agree with almost everyone else on which case has had the biggest impact on education, that case being the Rowley's fight for their daughter's education. I think the Lau case has a key role in helping non-English speaking students obtain an education, but as many in class pointed out, which I also agree with, if one wants to live and prosper in America, English would be a very important skill to aquire and to expect others to provide that skill is at some point asking a little much. However, the Rowley's daughter, being deaf, has done nothing but be a "victim" of unfortunate circumstances. She, like all students, deserve an education and if she could function in a regular school she should be allowed to attend one. I agree that it could open many other "problems" in saying her potential was not being met, but we can not simply send these children with special needs such as deafness, away to other schools and constantly segregate them from other children. A school system should have programs to help those students who can function in a regular school, and thanks to her case I am sure many programs were started to help with other students needs. Again, not speaking english is a "handicap" but perhaps a student's parents should consider teaching their children english, or getting outside help in doing it, before simply saying it is the schools obligation to teach them. I know america is a diverse nation with many ethnic backgrounds, but English is still the primary langauge in this country, both in schools and business, and in decideing to live here, illegally or legally from another country, one has to consider that and must take some responsibility and learn the country's language before arriving. A deaf student, or other special needs students have again done nothing but have a disability they have no control over.

Carmen Taylor said...

All the cases that were disscus in class was very interesting to me they informed me on things that I did not know. However,out of all the cases that were disscus Rowely v Board of Education took a toll on me. I feel that the school should have kept the sign language interpreter in the classroom for Amy Rowley. All students should have a chance to a good education if they are capable of being in a normal classroom. Some students have special needs that if they did have the extra help they still wouldn't be able to succeed in a normal atmosphere. However that is understandable when it come down to having extra help in a classroom for a special need student. As educators we should look at Amy case and say we will be willing to go the extra mile if we have a student in our class that is special need but is still able to do the work but only needs a little help keeping on task. With this being in mind, educators should not have a problem with teaching special need students. I understand everything the class was saying about this case, but we have to look at the big poicture of this situation. This is a child who has special needs but yet want to be looked at as a regular student and is able to stay on task with others only needing a little help.What is wrong with that? I say nothing.Like we tell our own students don't be average be above that is all Amy Rowling wanted to be.

Will said...

The case that I think had the biggest impact on schools is the boe vv. Rowley. It struck some interesting debate in the room. This case was vital because it opened people's eyes and sort of paved the way for more deaf shools. I do believe that Amy has the right to have an equal or appropriate education just like every other student does. Yes we should do as much as we can to make sure that each student is progresssing, and in this case the school had done all that they could do at the time. So I agree witht the final supreme ruling. The budget is a big issue, but also I was thinking... We have special ed which is for students with a disabilty or handicap, which Amy was because she was deaf. So if Amy is allowed to have her own interpreter every day while staying in the mainstream classroom, this would cause some conflict with the other special ed kids. The parents of their child may say I want my son to be in the main classroom too, but he has a learning disability. So this deaf girl is getting alot more attention and that is unfair.

Will said...

Everyone else in the class had great thoughts on the case too. Sometimes we have to agree to disagree. Everyone does a good job of supporting their side though.

Bridget said...

Of the three cases so far, I feel the case regarding non-English speaking students is most relevant to current trends in education. There are more students who do not speak English in the public school system than ever before. The numbers are only growing. I feel that teachers just starting out will benefit greatly from learning as many languages as possible, especially Spanish. We are lucky because we have the opportunity to do that now rather than try to learn after we have graduated. I will be signing up for Spanish 1 in the Spring!

Julie A. Wood said...

I believe the case that had the most impact was Board of Education v. Rowley. Because the courts agreed with the school system, Rowley was denied a service that could have helped her achieve a higher education. This case is very close to me because my sister is hearing impaired and I saw the things that she went through in school She had to go to a different school district because our school system did not provide a sign language interperator. Upon staring her 10th grade year, she came back to our school district because there were enough students int he district to fill the need.

I understand that if every child received specific help then the matter of special services would be blown out of proportion, but I do feel that every case should be considered seperately and all aspects should be taken into consideration.

Jatasia May said...

In my opinion, all three cases discussed in class have a profound impact on public education. I have this belief because I came across all of these cases in high school. However, if I had to choose one case that has had the most impact, it would have to be the Board of Education v. Rowley. This case, whether dealing with a hearing impaired child or a mentally challenged child, brings about one simple qusestion. That question being: is the child recieving a free and appropriate public education. Parents today still question the statemet because many believe their child is not recieving a free and appropriate education.

I agree with the case because Amy was given a free and appropriate public education. Knowing what the phrase, "free and appropriate" means, I feel that she was given that type of education. Especially if she was a child that did well in academic work. I don't see where she struggled so much without the interpreter. I know parents, as well as most teachers want the best for the child and want the child to stop at no means. However, money was and still is an issue and she had the opportunity to attend a hearing impaired school as well. I understand that the hearing impaired school may not have as high of a standard as a regular school, however that is why they made the hearing impaired school and funds are being used to keep it open. So utilize it.

Joseph said...

Very good discussion here and in class! Will is correct in saying that we sometimes must agree to disagree. We each are entitled to our opinions as long as we can support them with reasoned arguments.

You all hold great promise as teachers and I see the hope of bettering public education in your willingness to struggle with these difficult issues!

Joseph said...

Elizabeth's Posting:
The case law briefs given in class today were excellent and they all have had some affect on education today. However, if I had to choose one I would have to say the Board of Education v. Rowley. I choose this case because I can relate to this case in some ways, i have a special needs daughter who just recently graduated from high school. I would have to say that I think that the services provided to special needs students have improved sine the Rowley's case and I am glad. But it is because of case like the Rowleys, the Mills, the Rose families who all sought out to get better for the family members and because of their benefits my daughter, along with millions have been able to benefits from the changes that have been made to the system for the disabled. It is hard to say that I agree or disagree with the decision. The Rowley's had a right but the system had not way to provide that right, so I believe they were right to give the ruling that was made.

Joseph said...

Tom's Posting:
The case that has had the most profound impact on education is Board of Education v. Rowley.This case dealt not only with accomodation, but dealt with how far a school district must go to acomplish this. I believe this case deals with the heart of special education. Putting limits on Amy Rowley will affect special needs students everywhere.What does society owe a student like Amy? How far should a school board go to accomodate a student? I agree with the original decision to have an interpreter available to Amy.To give a child any less than the best is a dis-service.How do we know she wouldn't have gone on to find a cure for cancer, had she reached her full potential?Or design a car that gets 100 MPG? As a nation we are falling behind other nations with respect to how we educate our children. Our kids are doing less well every year,compared with kids from other countries. Bluecollar jobs are going overseas at an ever increasing rate. Because a child has a disability,does that mean he(or she) has less to contribute?I think the best way to insure a strong America is to insure the best educated America we can. Money spent on education is the best investment a nation can make.

Bridget said...

Julie makes a good point that all cases should be considered separately. If Amy hadn't been the only student in the school to request an interpreter, the decision may have been different. The school board and the court have to consider the benefits and drawbacks which may differ from case to case.

Bridget said...

Today's cases were interesting because they related so closely to each other. I found it interesting that some people were for corporal punishment, yet argued against touching students in a way that may be construed as sexual abuse or harassment. Both instances COULD be considered child abuse. Both subjects discussed today are touchy and the situations involved can be interpreted differently by different people. It is my opinion that when dealing with situations regarding abuse, it is important to be overly cautious. As teachers, it will be our job to educate and protect the students in our care. It i disturbing to hear that these things are happening in our schools. Where are our children truly safe?

Rod said...

I feel as if I'm jumping on the band wagon, but I too think Rowley vs. BOE is a case that has made a profound impact on education. I had SPED with Dr. Hendricks, and we talked alot about this case. Most of the people in the class thought she deserved the tutor, but me and several others did not. We felt that as long as she was doing as best as the average person; she was provided an appropriate education. This case has been a landmark in eduacation history. But we must ask ourselves one thing. Doesn't Rowley deserve all the help she can get. I wish we could provide her a tutor, but money is the issue. We have other children with special needs to help that are not doing as well as Rowley.

neal_joshua said...

To me one of the most profound cases discussed in class was Lau v. Nichols, involving Chinese speaking students and their parents. They felt that the students weren't recieving a proper education. One of the major debates among the class was wether or not they would be willing to pay higher taxes, recieve lower wages, etc. in order to have these students accomodated for. Also is the case that dealt with the deaf. It is true that we as educators should do all we can to help students excel, but we must be careful not to compromise the learning environment for the sake of one student.

After reading the previous postings, I saw that Borad of Education v. Rowley was the most discussed case. I just want to say that we are in the position to impact education, lets not let our personal views have a great influence on the class room. Everything should be dealt with as it comes.

artistmom said...

I think that the case that had the most impact on education has been The Board of Education v Rowley. This case was so profound in that do we really know the full potential of special needs children when they cannot receive adequate help? I think this case enabled thousands if not millions of children today to experience fair and equal education opportunities. I do not think our children in America, especially the ones with special needs have been properly evaluated and serviced until this case went the Supreme Court. I believe that parents an educators should continue to work together to service children the best they can, because these children we are educating are our future.

I think that in our changing world there is emerging this new sense of fairness for all. It is definitely an ongoing process to serve all school children better. There is so much that special needs and handicaped children can contribute to our society.

Jack Nowell said...

The case of Lau v. Nichols had the biggest impact on me. I thought that is was very interesting that it took the Supreme Court to overturn the decision of the lower courts. I believe all school districts in America should have some sort of bilingual program in place for non-english-speaking students. I think that this case raised the awareness of this problem to the schools of this country. Even today I feel that this is still a problem for certain areas of the country with large numbers of non-english-speaking students.